From what I understand, Spirit is getting its a$$ handed to it on both Gulfstream wing programs. From what I've heard, Vought overbid the programs so they wouldnt have to do either program. These programs are causing all the bleeding and arent turning a profit as now, and never will as far as I know per contract. Even when payment comes from 787 they wont make any money on the Gulfstream programs and will probably lose money for each Gulfstream wing built. That's all I know. Well I know more but wont say.