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The Coming Lithium Shortage
The gist of the paper is that there is not enough lithium carbonate and lithium chloride -- the two key salts used to formulate lithium metal for advanced batteries -- in the world to produce the necessary batteries to convert the world's gasoline and diesel fleet to HEV0 (conventional hybrids), PHEVs and battery electric vehicles or BEVs. And even if there were sufficient deposits, most of which are located above 3000 meters in the Bolivian, Chilean and Argentine Andes in ancient dry lake beds, at current rates of worldwide production it would take 75 years to build one billion 5kWh battery packs. http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-hybrid... Sentiment : Strong Buy Rating :
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truth be known
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usshrs: Oh, really, not suitable? Well what does Tesla drive on? Or Mercedes S400? On fumes of fear that come out of your mouth?
There is plenty of lithium - anybody with half a brain can see it. Why can't you? Rating :
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Not nearly enough to even consider mass production. Makes great use for prototypes
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usshrs: What prototypes? Tesla sold more cars last month than GM could hybrids with Cobasys batteries. EVs are not mass-produced anyway, and even Toyota and Honda are moving to li-ion in 2010-2011. Li-ion batteries are all around us. Nothing will stop their use in cars. Nothing!
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they sale very few and not possible to satisfy any amount of demand with lithium
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too expensive
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usshrs: What's too expensive? Show me one electric car that uses lead-acid or NiMH that is cheaper! Don't show me the current "hybrids" - they can't drive on batteries for 20 miles! Show me another electric car please!
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The supply of lithium is drying up and the price to extract the compounds and competition for the compounds will skyrocket. Sticker shock associated with any mass production would make a lithium ion powered vehical unaffordable in the longrun. prices higher over time not cheaper.
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usshrs: No, it is not drying up. Every cell phone, mp3 player, and PC notebook uses li-ion, and li-ion prices are dropping.
Say, how much lithium (in tons) is there on Earth? And how much do you need to make 1 million electric cars? You know? Rating :
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usshrs: Well they use 6000 li-ion cells - let's sat the equivalent of 5000 or so of cell phones or MP3 players. But there were close to a billion cell phones sold just last year, each with li-ion battery inside, and tens of millions of MP3 players. There were tens of millions PC notebooks and netbooks sold as well, each with 5 cells, on average. So, there will be no problem whatsover to make 200,000 of these. And that's the numbers of Priuses sold.
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ur numbers are misleading and backward looking as are all ur statements and projections.
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usshrs: I am sure you are dying to convince us that numbers are misleading and that the past is irrelevant. But we know better. We know that your losses are real (i.e., the negative P&L you have is not misleading!). And we know that if you don't understand the past, you have no chance to understand the future. You know deep down that you will fail. Just admit it!
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it's like wiring a house. we use copper instead of gold because it makes more sense, cheaper and more abundant and does a good enough job.
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Lithium electrics are to expensive for mass production. Toys for the little rich boys. It has a lot of issues, but salt supply is not one of them.
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oum_shanti: Uhh, a well designed electric car can be cheaper than a regular car, because it is much simpler mechanically. NiMH hybrids are the ones that are costlier to manufacture (as they have two driving systems). Li-ion packs for EVs can be now made for $6,000 with off-the shelf cells. I won't be surprised if the Chinese start mass production of li-ion EVs in 2010-2011....
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not possible...hello, not enough lithium. nimh not going anywhere until right wing companies like chevron get what they deserve, bankruptcy
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many articles clearly pointing out the world does not have enough lithium
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usshrs: Many articles clearly wrong. As we found here, there is enough lithium for 2,500,000,000 Tesla EV cars.
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