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<title><![CDATA[Re: SRPIX]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[bottom formation]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:58:26 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[SRPIX]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[May be hit bottom, I will start to move in.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:58:26 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: There are still money to be made]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[I total agree. There will be more bad earning news in coming months that will take the PE ratios of these stocks down substantially.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:00:12 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: why is the expense ratio so high?]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[I'm getting a better return on the downturn with the ETF (DXD), 3.62% today as opposed to SRDIX 2.62 - and I don't pay loads or fees, I can trade it like a stock!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:33:25 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: the only way to play short Real Estate is SRS]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[I think your right, I sold alot of my SRPIX and bought SRS in the last few days.   It trades at very low volume which concerns me a bit.   once it starts to climb 10, 20 30% then it will be talked about in various articles and the volume will definately increase.   Its almost like getting a free margin loan.   I sold 75K worth of SRPIX and bought 1000 shares this week so essentially am getting a "75K loan" at 0% interest.   Of course that means twice the risk, but since this is shorting a Real Estate Index I am not the least bit worried.   I have been following the Real Estate market in Southern California since I was a child.   It did almost exactly the same thing in 1990.   Prices went way too high too fast and then they went down for over 4 years.   A decrease in Real Estate takes time.   This current run up in prices was even worse than in 1990 (because interest rates were so low for so long).   Now that the lenders are tightening, the inventories are growing and there are going to be alot of forclosures due to Subprime and Alt-A loans, there is not a senario that I can think of where Real Estate does not drop substaintially (in Las Vegas, All of California, All of Arizona and all of Florida and that is just to name a few).   It will drop moderately in regions where the appreciation was not out of control (like the midwest)   Look at the charts of the stocks that make up the Dow Jones Real Estate Index.   Most of them are up 200, 300% or more(SPG is up 400%, PSA is up 500%, GGP is up 600%, BXP up 400%) in the past 7 years(right before the Nasdaq crash).   SPG alone makes up over 6% of the total here is a chart. index.<a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=SPG&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=SPG&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:58:22 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[the only way to play short Real Estate is SRS]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Why go with a sucky MF when you have ETFs?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:58:21 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: other ways of shorting the real estate]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[they do not have to trade they will be calculated in march (mpl) and april(mfp) and there seems little possibility of an upcoming rally in housing you can read their prosectus on quantum online]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:25:27 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: shorting R/E]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[SRS is a double beta]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:34:35 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[shorting R/E]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[has anyone ever shorted one of the R/E ETFs?   I was thinking about doing this versus buying this fund.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:34:35 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: other ways of shorting the real estate]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[mfp mpl hpb do not have any volume according to Yahoo, only 1000 shares or so, If you find a seller, how do you plan to sell them later on?   2 of the 3 of them went down today when other short real estate investments went up.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:25:26 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[other ways of shorting the real estate]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[there are three notes available for betting that a sharp drop in real estate is on the way mfp, mpl and hpb, does anyone know the difference between them and have an opinion of their potential value vs srpix]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:25:26 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: why is the expense ratio so high?]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[it's expensive but we are minutes away from cashing in.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:14:13 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[You MUST read this if you are considering this fund!]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Ok, I have also lost a fair amount in this fund, but with some patience we will start making some $$ (perhaps some big $$ soon).   Here is my theory:

Take a look a the top 10 holdings (I have them listed below).   I also have the links to the 10+ year charts for each of these companies.   These charts look extremely similar to the Nasdaq companies back in 2000   

<a href=http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hl?s=IYR>http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hl?s=IYR</a>
 

ASN: (This one is especially bad) <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=ASN&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=ASN&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>

BXP: <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=BXP&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=BXP&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>

EQR: <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=EQR&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=EQR&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>

GGP: (another one that looks really bad); <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=GGP&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=GGP&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>

HST: <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=HST&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=HST&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>

PLD: (another really bad one) <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=PLD&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=PLD&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>

PSA: (this could be the worst one yet): <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=PSA&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=PSA&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>

SPG (This is the top holding and the chart looks horrific, there is no possible way this stock keeps going up at its current rate): <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=SPG&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=SPG&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>

VNO: (Ok, this one takes the cake for the worst looking chart (remember Yahoo's chart at the end of 2000?) looked alot like this if I remember correctly.   <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=VNO&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=VNO&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>

HERE ARE SOME NASDAQ COMPANIES TO COMPARE THE PREVIOUS CHARTS TO:

NT: <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=NT&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=NT&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>

JDSU: <a href=http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=JDSU&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp>http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/intchart.asp?symb=JDSU&time=20&freq=1&comp=&compidx=aaaaa%7E0&compind=&uf=0&ma=&maval=&lf=1&lf2=&lf3=&type=2&size=1&txtstyle=&style=&submitted=true&intflavor=basic&origurl=%2Ftools%2Fquotes%2Fintchart.asp</a>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:10:27 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: why is the expense ratio so high?]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[it is the only one out there, that shorts the real estate market]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:49:35 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[why is the expense ratio so high?]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[1.39% !!!

That's wacky and out of principal I refuse to buy this fund.

All it is, is a reverse index fund. How much trading can they justify?

Am I missing something?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:33:25 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: My opinion...]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[couldn't find one... wish there was... I don't recommend puts (maybe leaps though) as this will be a slow downturn... lost alot on an iyr put...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 06:13:27 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: My opinion...]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[already bought in to srpix,is there a fund that shorts residential properties?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 06:13:27 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[Re: My opinion...]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Oh, but if you're looking to purchase... Do yourself a favor and short/buy a put option on IYR... .6% expense ratio on IYR or 1.4% on SRPIX... Your choice...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 05:44:28 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[My opinion...]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[This mutual fund is just generating income to the managers in the form of fee's... This mutual fund is inversely coorrelated to that of IYR. Most of the holdings in IYR are that of REIT's and Commercial property - Not residential real estate, which everyone is watching and expects to tumble. I lost quite a bit shorting IYR... I am now realizing that this is going to be a long term drop in real estate prices, not a sudden one like we saw in the stock market. Give it 4-5 years, and we'll see the bottom. As for this mutual fund... I don't see any positive growth for some time until the real estate gets hit hard.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 06:13:27 GMT</pubDate>
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<title><![CDATA[next   few months]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[Now I think,is the time to buy?]]></description>
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